Upgrading The W205 Burmester Audio

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This blog details upgrades I made to the Burmester audio system in my 2016 C300. I knew right away that, while the stock system didn’t sound hopeless, I wasn’t going to be satisfied with it. The bass was too loose and sloppy, and the mids were too bright and harsh. Frankly it didn’t sound “premium” enough for my tastes. I want clean, powerful, accurate reproduction with distinctive and punchy mid-bass, a solid “thump” for the kick drum sound, and mids/highs that are clear without being brassy or harsh. I also like a wide sound stage, where the stock system seems to sound very directional and and overly focused to the front door speakers.

When I’m evaluating an OEM car audio system I trust my ears. I don’t care whose name is on the equipment necessarily.  I’ve been a musician professionally and for fun for thirty years, and while my tastes lean toward audiophile, my budget generally does not. But I am a hardcore audio geek with experience performing and mixing sound in the studio and live venue settings.

When I first get into a new car, I’ll spend a couple of weeks just listening. I’ll play source material I’m really familiar with, try the various settings, see if different sources sound better than others, and really try to pin down any deficiencies.  I’m never doing a “gut job” and replacing otherwise good gear. It’s more a surgical approach based on where I perceive any shortcomings.

I’ve learned that there are two potential areas of deficiency in any car audio system. Physical deficiencies, such as a lack of a full compliment of speakers due to space or design limitations, a lack of sufficient power, over-reliance on inexpensive components with inherent flaws, and a lack of sufficient user control over equalization.

Tuning deficiencies almost always result from a manufacturer’s attempt to compensate for physical deficiencies by equalization, delay, and other processing. Tuning deficiencies are “baked” into the system and cannot be modified by the user. Sometimes manufacturers do a convincing job. (Bose, for example, is notorious for coaxing somewhat decent audio from inexpensive hardware using equalization and post processing and then charging a fortune for it.)

W205 Burmester Deficiencies: No True Woofers, Too Many Midrange Speakers, Inadequate EQ controls.

Most of the deficiencies in the W205 Burmester result from a lack of a full-range array of speakers, inexpensive components used for the speakers it does have, and tuning deficiencies created by the equalization scheme necessary to compensate. In short, the Burmester lacks any conventional woofers necessary to accurately reproduce the mid-bass range, which is what woofers do best. Additionally, the speakers that do exist are flimsy and cheap. (There are no “Burmester” components in the W205 Burmester system. Burmester was responsible for designing and tuning using  existing off-the-shelf parts from other manufacturers, a common practice in branded premium car audio systems.)

The W205 Burmester is essentially a sub/sat design, much like those all-in-one, “home theater in a box packages” that rely on a bass module for the lows and a bunch of little satellite speakers for everything else. Inexpensive and space efficient but not ideal.

Here’s the speaker array in the W205 Burmester, clockwise from the driver’s side front door.

  • 4” midrange & 1” tweeter left front door passive crossover*
  • 6” subwoofer left front footwell
  • 4” midrange center dash
  • 6” subwoofer right passenger footwell
  • 4” midrange & 1” tweeter right front door passive
  • 4” midrange & 1” tweeter right rear door passive
  • 4” midrange left parcel shelf (left surround)
  • 4” midrange right parcel shelf (right surround)
  • 4” midrange and 1” tweeter left rear door passive

*A “crossover” is a device that routes signal based on a frequency range to the speaker most optimal to play that range. So in a two way system, only lower frequencies would go to the woofer, and only highs to the tweeter. The cut off points are determined by the crossover. A “passive” two way or three way component speaker system has a physical crossover with fixed settings. An active multi-speaker system has separate channels wired directly from each speaker in the set back to the amp and the settings can be manipulated electronically. Active crossovers are preferred for their tuning flexibility.

One  look at the speaker array in the Burmester system and it becomes obvious that the W205 got a lot of 4” mid range drivers, seven in total, and four tweeters. So plenty of mids and highs.If I had to boil down the main problem with the Burmester, it’s the glaring lack of any proper woofers. Typically you’d use the nice cavities in the lower doors for a 6″ woofer, ideally suited for bass and mid-bass. For whatever reason, Mercedes decided to use that real estate for other purposes, namely an awkwardly placed and superfluous cup holder and a map pocket. It may have solved the “where do I put my second beverage?” problem but it ham-strung the audio designers. The major flaw in the C Class Burmester is that Mercedes got too clever by half when they relied entirely on Frontbass for the mid-bass down to the lows. It’s just not a great solution.

To cover the mid bass gap that exists physically between the 6 inch “subs” in the footwells and the 4” mids that are everywhere else, the Burmester relies on a “baked in” equalization and surround processing scheme. It forces the mids to play a little lower than they’d like, and it forces the “subs” to play way both higher and lower than ideal. But there’s only so much digital hocus pocus you can do to compensate for an incomplete speaker array and a flawed bass scheme.

Which is why, when you’re listening to the Burmester and you’d like punchier, more well defined bass, adding more bass via the COMAND “Equalizer” makes the sound become loose and boomy. If you increase volume to get more grunt in the bass, the mid range becomes intolerably bright and harsh: A tuning deficiency necessitated by a physical deficency.

Here’s what we saved/replaced/added 

  • 4” midrange & 1” tweeter front doors (FOCAL KRS100)
  • 6” subwoofer left front footwell
  • 4” midrange center dash
  • 6” subwoofer right passenger footwell
  • 4” midrange & 1” tweeter rear doors
  • 4” midrange left parcel shelf (left surround)
  • 4” midrange right parcel shelf (right surround)
  • Dual 8″ Subwoofer (Trunk)

So not a total gut job as far as the speakers. Most of the work involved gaining control over the factory equalization.

Where’s the Burmester Stuff?

Not surprisingly, there is no actual Burmester sourced hardware in the W205. If I had to guess, based on their form factor, tri-lobe mounts and sound, the speakers are harman/kardon. The amp is not Burmester either. Burmester’s contribution appears to have been limited to design and tuning, and most importantly, lending its name to Mercedes to stamp on the speaker grilles.

Here’s a side-by-side of the “Burmester” 4″ door speaker and 1″ silk dome tweeter with a common harman/kardon 4″ woofer and 1″ silk dome speaker, found extensively in Mercedes and BMW systems dating back ten years.

From Top Left, Clockwise.

Rear view of Harman Kardon Tweeter (left) and Burmester Tweeter (right)

Front view of Harman Kardon Tweeter (left) and Burmester Tweeter (right)

Rear view of Harman Kardon 4″ woofer (left) and Burmester 4″ woofer (right)

Front view of Harman Kardon 4″ woofer (left) and Burmester 4″ woofer (right)

It’s common for manufacturers to use high efficiency, wispy little nothings for speakers in their systems. They’re inexpensive, and very easy to drive without a lot of amp power. That allows the amps to be smaller, be low heat producers and cost less.

I point this stuff out not to bum anyone out on their Burmester system. But if you were feeling bad about messing around with Dieter Burmester’s masterpiece, don’t.

The Cure: Use The Footwell Subs As Conventional Woofers, Add A Trunk Sub For The Lows, Strip Out The Factory EQ And Start Over.

Once I knew what I was working with, I was able to design the upgrade.  My goal is always greater fidelity and accuracy, not necessarily more power. I avoid adding big sub-woofer boxes (or subs at all if I can), and I’m not interested in huge impressive looking amplifiers in special custom enclosures.  I also avoid making any modifications to the factory system that would ruin the integration and controls. Any changes I make happen very late in the signal chain, right before the connections to the speakers. My systems are pure stealth and use the factory speaker locations and sizes, and the factory grilles.

To re-mediate the lack of “proper” woofers, it was necessary to re-purpose the dual 6” Frontbass subwoofers to become conventional mid bass woofers by changing their crossover points to cut out a chunk of the low bass signal to them. (This is all done by software…no physical changes are being made to the Frontbass subs themselves.)

Making the subs into  woofers allowed me to create a proper 3 Way component system for the front sound stage, consisting of the 6” woofers in the footwells, 4” midranges in the doors and 1” tweeters in the sail panels. However, the low bass signal being redirected away from the front subs had to be reintroduced, and that necessitated a subwoofer box in the trunk. That allowed me to tune the fronts to play a nice full-range sound without the bass getting loose or sloppy, but still have sufficient low end reproduction.

For this install I chose to replace the front door 4” and tweeters with a set of Focal KRS100 components which I already had on hand. The other speakers in the car were left stock.

Edit: Since originally writing this article I’ve acquired an ’18 BMW 430i Coupe. The Harman Kardon system in that car would break your heart. They put two 8″ shallow mount subs under the front seats that hit like crazy, and IDrive includes an excellent built in seven band equalizer that makes tuning a breeze. It also has CarPlay and can play Hi Res 24bit audio in FLAC and ALAC from a USB stick. I’m pretty much in audio heaven with the 430. Still I felt like I had to do something to it, so we replaced the front and rear 4″ two-ways with Morel 402 Hybrids. I prefer them to the Focals. The woofers can actually play low and the mids and highs are warmer, which would be a big help in the 205. Cost is comparable. 

With the speaker array sorted out, my attention next was focused on removing  the factory equalization and tuning, so I could start from scratch with a clean, flat stereo signal from COMAND. There is unfortunately no way around this, and it’s expensive to do it right. You could replace every speaker in the car with high end alternatives and you’d still be stuck with the many of the same issues if you didn’t also address the factory EQ. If you had to pick the most efficient way to improve the system, start with a digital signal processor rather than speaker replacement.

For processing duties I’m using the  Audison Prima 8.9 DSP Amp already on hand, which combines a robust digital signal processor and an integrated 8 channel amplifier, with an un-powered 9th channel output for a sub amp and speaker. It’s a compact unit, about the size of a hard cover book. While the power output is relatively tame at 35 watts per channel x 8 into 4 ohms. it’s an honest 35 and proved more than enough for the W205. (In fact, it was more than enough for my 2010 S550, with a much larger cabin.)

The Prima is tuned by temporarily connecting a USB cable from it to a Windows laptop and running the Bit tuning software application. Each channel can be tuned individually for level, EQ, time correction, and crossover. Here’s a sample tuning screen for a single channel. On the upper left, clicking on a speaker in the car diagram brings up EQ, Crossover filter and Time Correction (delay) for that speaker. Here, the left front door midrange is being tuned.

Audison-Prima-AP-8.9-bit-Amplifier-3

Don’t get turned off if none of this stuff makes any sense to you. I’ll include the Prima tuning file for this W205 installation here. You can simply download it, load it to the Prima and save, and its done. If you want to play around with it as a starting point, just save your changes with a new file name.

To handle sub-woofer duty I used a 300 watt JL mono amplifier (also on hand), and a small JL sub box for the trunk. My preference would be to avoid a box entirely. They look aftermarket and take up trunk space, but one was necessary for the 205. I was able to find a shallow depth JL box with two 8” subs that fit perfectly and snugly up against the back seat of the 205. (Quick disconnects make it possible to remove the sub to gain access to the folding rear seats.)

One extra component I didn’t anticipate needing was necessary to defeat the Burmester’s Vehicle Noise Compensation circuit, which is supposed to listen for road noise and bump up certain audio frequencies to mask the noise. VNC got all discombobulated once the Prima was installed and was just throwing out random bursts of low bass. The cure was to add a JL Fix 82 OEM integration module, which was able to strip out the VNC interference. We hunted endlessly for the presence of a cabin mic that might be used by VNC but had no success. If anyone does figure it out, let me know.

The equipment list then is as follows. Prices are estimates.

  1. Audison Prima 8.9 DSP Amp OEM Integration Unit ($900)
  2. Focal KRS100 K2 Power 4” OR Morel Hybrid 402 2-Way Component Speakers ($750)
  3. JL Fix 82 Processor ($300)
  4. JL Dual 8” Shallow Depth Ported Subwoofer ($400)
  5. JL 300 Watt Mono Sub Amp ($300)

The Sub amp and box are optional here. While it’s nice to have the bass drum sound reinforced, simply tuning the existing front woofers is a huge help. If you were approaching this in stages, just the JL Fix 82 and Prima are the only “must-haves”

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Morel Hybrid 402 as an alternative to the Focal KRS100

Installation included applying Hushmat sound dampening material on the interior panels of all four doors, plus the usual battery power kit, cables, ties, etc. I handled the Prima’s initial configuration and the tuning myself.Get a quote on installation from you nearest authorized Audison retailer/installer.

The signal-processing chain is as follows:

  • Speaker Outputs from the 9 channel Burmester amplifier are fed to the Fix 82.
  • The Fix 82 converts the powered speaker level signal back down to low voltage (line level). It digitizes the signal, removes the factory equalization, time correction and VNC and outputs flat 2 channel stereo via a single fiber optic Toslink cable to the Prima.
  • The Prima’s DSP stage is where the tuning magic happens, with immense control over every aspect of the sound on an individual channel level. Equalization, crossover points, level, phasing, and time correction can all be customized using a Windows laptop and a USB connection. Tuning the Prima in my 205 took four hours, but if this process is entirely foreign to you, I’ve included the W205 specific tuning map file below. Your installer can simply load it into the Prima and you’re done.
  • The Prima’s eight powered output channels are configured as follows:
    • Channel 1: Left front mid range and tweeter 35 watts
    • Channel 2: Right front mid range and tweeter 35 watts
    • Channels 3-4: (Bridged ) Left front subwoofer 70 watts
    • Channels 5-6: (Bridged) Right front subwoofer 70 watts
    • Channel 7: Right rear mid range and tweeter 35 watts
    • Channel 8: Left rear mid range and tweeter 35 watts
  • The 9th output channel is used to send signal to the outboard JL sub amp and box. The center channel and two rear deck surround speakers remain on the factory amp. The tuning blends these “orphaned” speakers into the mix.

Here’s everything, installed in the trunk.

C300 Trunk

And the sub box, which squeezed perfectly up against the rear seatback, leaving plenty of trunk space:sub

So there you have it. A system that now sounds as good as its speaker grilles look, all invisible and with no loss of COMAND control or functionality.

Installation:

Burmester_WiringDiag (1)

  • Come off the high side of the factory amp, and using the Burmester wiring diagram identify the speaker wires by color code as follows:
    • Left front door
    • Left front sub
    • Right front sub
    • Right front door
    • Right rear door
    • Left rear door
  • Cut those leads and run them to the input side of the Fix 82.
  • Run the Fix 82 set up CD.
  • Connect a Toslink fiber optic cable from the Fix 82 to the optical input on the Prima.
  • Run leads back from the high (output) side of the Prima and connect them back to the car’s speaker wires.
  • Run a cable from the subwoofer out of the Prima to your outboard sub amp and speaker.

Prima Configuration Wizard

  • Set the physical configuration switch on the Prima to Zero.
  • Connect a USB cable from the Prima to a Windows laptop and run the set up software.
  • Skip the level set up and de-equalization as the JL Fix 82 has that handled.
  • Here’s the speaker configuration. Note the boxes checked beside the front subs, denoting a bridged connection (two channels combined to double the power). Also note that each speaker set connected together by a passive cross over has a green bracket. To combine two speakers, click each one. A white bracket will appear joining them. Click the X in the middle of the bracket to tie them together, and the bracket will turn green.

Prima Speaker  Config

Here’s the output configuration channel assignments. Note that two channels are assigned to each front sub.

Prima Output Config

Be sure to select Optical for the input.

Tuning

The first time you turn this system on you’re not going to like what you hear at all. With the factory EQ removed, the raw sound is pretty awful. All of those mid range speakers doing their thing. Luckily you have a monster digital signal processing suite at your finger tips and all of those speakers can be bent to your will.

Save this file to your laptop:

W205 Prima Tune

In the AP Bit program, select “Load” and browse to this file. Select Device>Finalize The Device to write the tune to your system. Feel free to poke around in the tuning app and see how changes to things like the filter and EQ affect the sound. Use the Solo feature (yellow light at the top of each channel’s level fader) to see how each individual speaker sounds in isolation and how it contributes to the overall mix.

Try soloing the front subs plus the subwoofer to tailor the bottom end. Do the same with the four doors to fine tune the mids and highs. If you get something you like, save it with a new file name. Use the car’s COMAND equalizer and surround functions to make fine adjustments. I have Treble on 6+, Midrange -8, Bass +2. My most common source are AAC files on an Iphone, both local and streaming, and Tidal.  Fine tune to whatever you listen to most often. Every source imparts its own characteristics. If you’re using Bluetooth Audio, pull the jog wheel down to bring up the bottom menu, select Options>Volume>Boost.

I use Front Surround, and have the Automatic Volume Control on. (Vehicle screen, pull down on the jog wheel to bring up the lower menu, go to Vehicle Settings and scroll down.

Burmester himself famously stated that the best system is the one you never need to touch, because everything sounds good on an accurate, balanced, neutral system. I agree!

 

229 thoughts on “Upgrading The W205 Burmester Audio

  1. Great article and many thanks. I got my C43 AMG a few days ago, and the first thing I noticed was that the audio system didn’t sound right, for my music. I’ve been trying ever since to adjust it but at the best the bass got loose and boom and and the mids screechy and loud. I read your article and in the middle of it I realized what happened. By switching from a BMW 435 GC to the C43 I downgraded my audio system 😦 Damn MB 🙂 The car is leased, so I won’t bother changing the OEM, I guess I’m doomed for 3 years now 🙂

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    1. Mine was a lease as well. My thought is for that monthly payment I need to love the car so if it took a couple grand to sort out the audio whatever. The OEM system is unlistenable. By that I mean you can almost barely get it there and have some material sound okay, which is more frustrating than if it just flat out sucked.

      My 430i has the same setup as my 205: 4” two way HK in the doors, two way HK in the rear quarters, a 4” center and two 4” surrounds, but the subwoofers are 8” and under the seats vs Frontbass.

      The BMW gets a 7 band EQ and between that, and the location of our the subs, there is zero comparison.

      The 205, with all the upgrades, doesn’t sound as good as the 430 did out of the box. When I got it I ran by my installer for suggestions. We listened for a few minutes and he said “Fuck…I wouldn’t change a thing”. And it plays 24bit audio off a USB drive.

      An EQ in the 205 would have made the system semi salvageable. As it sits, the only solution is to run a source with an EQ app. Spotify has one, and there are some for IOS and a local library.

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      1. Naively, based on my experience to date I expected a premium car to have a half decent audio system. This is the worst I had in the last 15 years, between multiple car brands. Yesterday I just had to mute it, as I couldn’t listen to the crap coming out of the speakers. Today I found some source material that doesn’t sound horrible, but boy, did they effed up this or what 🙂 I’ll probably have no choice, ill start with EQ-ed source (spotify).

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      2. We all got scammed for the exact same reason. Lots of marketing bullshit, an exotic but relatively unknown high end name, and very pretty speaker grilles.

        Bottom line, Mercedes has a level of contempt for their customers that becomes glaringly apparent if you break ranks and buy a BMW or Audi. Those guys still charge through the nose for their products, but the products rarely disappoint, especially on basic stuff like premium audio.

        With Spotify, try dragging the mids way down into the basement, (2k to 5k), Bump up the bass at 125 htz, push up the ultra highs (10k ish) and on the HU dial Bass and Treble to 10 and mid to -10.

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  2. Hey Mike, How do I make sense of the wiring diagram? I am used to diagrams that are color coded. Are you able to point me in the right direction?

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    1. It’s best to print it out first, the larger the better . The wiring for the speakers will end with a trapezoid shaped icon at the borders of the schematic , and the wire colors will be abbreviated alongside the wires (brn + /brn blk -) would be a solid brown wire for hot and a brown wire with a black stripe for ground. (Not sure the exact abbreviations but you get the idea.)

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      1. Thanks Mike. That makes much more sense. Only other question I have is for mid/tweeter pairs it shows they have a single pair that then splits off into 4 wires. For some of the 4 wire sets the the pairs have the same colors listed for the tweeter and the mid. How do I know which is which? Sorry if this would be evident when looking at the harness but I want to wrap my head around everything before performing surgery on the car 🙂

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  3. Hi Mike ..
    I live in Caribbean , how possible is in for you to come here and upgrade my w205 ?? Offcorse also I’ll need your help getting all equipment shipped here ??

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    1. There has to be an easier way. Trade the C for a BMW 340. You’ll get a solidly built, great driving car with a twin turbo inline six and a factory audio system that sounds better than my 205 without touching it or spending a dime. I’m serious.

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    1. Doubtful. Prima files barely load on the Prima (has to be identical versions of firmware and software). But Bit One should be compatible with Bit Tune, which is a stand alone automated tuning system. Any Audison dealer should have one.

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  4. I would like to upgrade my jaguar xe 2018 speakers to something direct fit or atleast plug and play kind of thing like focal has for bmw. Without adding too many stuff but like to keep it . I want fidelity and clarity and decent bass. Is it possible can you guide me through.

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    1. Hi Lincoln, your problem is likely not your speakers (or at least not your biggest problem). Usually you need to defeat the factory EQ and then reconfigure it. If after that there are shortcomings in the speakers themselves those can be replaced strategically. Without being more familiar with the XE I’m not sure if there’s more I can tell you.

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  5. Hi Mike
    I’m about to embark on this journey and of corse a new Prima drops. Id like to get a gauge on your experience with the 8.9. Have you more times than not wished your Prima had more power or did it do the job wonderfully? Thanks!

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    1. I’ve now had the same Prima unit in three cars, a 2010 S550, the C and now it’s in my kid’s 328i. Power is fine, certainly more than stock. If you’re doing the front door speakers use Morel Hybrids rather than the Focals.

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      1. Ok I just found them the speakers. My only hesitation on the original Prima is I like my music loud. it might come down to which unit is availible.

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      2. You could also substitute a Bit One for the Prima. That gives you DSP but you add your own amps and you can have as much power as you can afford.

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      3. I was thinking that but I really like how many functions are built into the Prima, it’s so clean. I’m on the hunt for one, I’ll let you know what I find

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  6. What about the Morel Hybrids 3 way stashing the mid bass in the foot well? Seems midrange in that kit is 3.5″ as opposed to the Hybrids which are 4″. or i go with the hybrids and stash something else in the foot wells.

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    1. The footwell enclosures are pretty weird. They’re shallow and they taper down to the magnet steeply. You may want to pick up a spare module on EBay to experiment with. You wouldn’t be able to use the Morel’s crossover. The footwell speakers have their own wiring back to the amp, and the mid and high share a single line (unless you want to re wire everything back to the trunk). Might sound good though.

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      1. I have 2016 C300 coupe. I was disappointed to bass too… I have Burmester audio, but I just replaced footwell subs to Focal isub MBZ and added Ground zero 2.135 amp to drive focal subs. Little tweak to LPF and now I have very low and smooth bass… I wired them all the way from the front to the Ground zero amp which is in my trunk. Amp is below the trunk carpet. No visible wires were left… I couldnt be happier…

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  7. Hi Mike, did you get any delay / echo on your hands free Bluetooth after the install? My last car was a W204, the person who I was talking to always heard echos. I think they heard themselves but i dont remember. I used an Audiocontrol piece which i wasnt happy with, I could never get it tuned to stop the echo….thanks

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    1. Not that I recall. But if there are no echoes with your stock unit there shouldn’t be any with the Audison. The Audison is only getting what’s coming out of the factory amp.

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  8. me again, how come you recommend the Morels over the Focals? Possibly more out of curiosity, I’m going to install Rainbow Audio’s 8″ speakers made specifically for the foot wells.

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      1. Do you have any idea where the front connection point is where the pair of wires to the front doors split to 2 (one tweeter & one midrange). I’m hoping its in the kick panel and not the doors but i cant find it yet

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  9. Hi mike, Did you even notice a spike and loss around 16khz in your system? Before I gutted the speakers and added amplifiers I noticed it stock, I was hoping after the fix 82 and new amps (I went with JL VXI amps) this problem would go away but it’s still there. When I run pink noise and measure it with an rta I can see 16khz even with everything else, then it just stops and that band on the rta drops. About 15 sec later it comes back. I tried running the rears through the fix and same thing. Makes me think it’s probably coming from the head unit and maybe the amp. I looked to see if Mobridge had a unit to grab the optical out of the head unit but they don’t. I’m not sure what else to do, maybe see if I can find a different burmester amp.

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  10. Mike, could you clarify how much mounting depth there is and if the Morel Hybrid 402’s will fit? I note the Focals have a mounting depth of 39mm vs 50mm for the 402’s.

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  11. Thank you very much Mike for this great repoort, awesome work! :=) I’m also quite disapointed on the Burmester’s sound on my facelift GLC, and would like to get some upgrade done. But to be honest, I’m not so much audiophile that I would want to use thousands of euros/dollars just fo getting better sound, so I just wanted to ask if you know that are there any sort of “plug & play” speaker upgrades available for MB burmesters? I mean, do you know any solutions where just speakers (tweeters & mids on the doors and maybe front basses) could be upgraded, without needing to replace the amps, processors etc.?

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    1. No, as I stated the issue is with the equalization in the factory amp. Changing the speakers will make little difference and may sound worse. If you’d rather not spend on amps you’ll probably have to live with the system as is.

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  12. Thanks for the detailed report Mike. Sounds like the morels are just what I’m looking for in my BMW, something more enough to cross with the underseat woofers, but shallow enough to fit.
    May I ask a few questions?
    1)why did you use the JL fix to de-eq the factory HU when the audison has this functionality?
    2) Did you change it the underseat woofers in the BMW?
    3) How did you get on with the audison DSP and eq’ing by pulling s line up and down. I’m trying to tune to a house curve with a AP5.9 and REW, and having a really challenging time. Really starting to wish that I had bought a helix. My issue is up to 10db between peaks and troughs over as little as 100hz.

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  13. Hi Mike,
    Me again, i’ve actually blown my Burmester system, it’s missing all the rounded mid and is very tinny hurts the ears to listen to it, some footwell bass however. Hence asking about speaker replacements. Not sure my warranty will cover this..
    Can you offer any pearls of wisdom?

    Cheers!

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    1. It should be covered under warranty unless the system was modified. If not, used speakers from Ebay would be your best bet. If you’re not doing a DSP amp then upgrading the speakers would be wasted money.

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  14. Hi Mike, great job! I have a GLC 2020 with burmester and I want to improve the bass. I have thought of putting an Audison APBX 10 AS Subwoofer and putting it under the trunk, do you think it is a good option?

    Also put the audison amplifier that you use, but I don’t understand what the JL 82 is for, can’t you flatten the signal directly with the Audison 8.9?

    Finally, what do you think about changing the speakers for GLADEN ones or better to leave the Burmester ones?

    Thank you very much

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    1. Hi Juan,

      The JL Fix 82 was necessary in the ‘15 C300. Without it the car’s variable audio compensation produced sporadic bass explosions from the Audison amp. We could not figure out how to defeat it but the Fix 82 stripped it out. This may or may not be an issue in your car.

      I stopped using the Prima in subsequent cars in favor of AudioControl’s 6 Channel DSP amp. Much more power (125 watts/channel vs 45 in the Prima), much less finicky to set up, and if you buy the add on Bluetooth module you can run the configuration software on your phone or an IPad wirelessly.

      I would replace the OEM speakers. If you have a lot of 4” mids all over the place, look into the Morel Hybrid 2-Way components. Much warmer and punchier than the Focals.

      I’d also replace the footwell speakers with something heartier (I know Gladden makes a drop in replacement for the 8” pancake subs found in older MB Harmon Kardon systems but not sure that’s what’s actually in the foot wells. I think they’re a very odd size in a very restrictive housing)

      A dedicated sub and amp will let you tune the footwell speakers to just play mid bass, which is what they’re best suited for.

      Good luck!

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      1. Thank you very much for your answer!

        I’m thinking of just putting one amp for the sub, and continue using the burmester amp for now.

        Can you explain to me how to connect an amplifier to the burmester amplifier? I have read something about high and low converters, but I don’t know if it would be correct in this case.

        Could you send me a drawing of where to get the signal for the sub amplifier.

        thanks!!

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  15. thanks a ton for the great article. I’m brutally new to this and have installed the morels and the new prima AP F8.9 bit. when I download your prima file it seems to have a .aps extension where the prima is looking for a .apf. how do I remedy. sorry if this is a dumb question. thanks a ton, Steve

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    1. Hey Steve. Audison did a thing where they required that the Prima and the config file share the same firmware version, and I’m sure mine is outdated. But you can use the screen grabs to duplicate my settings.

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  16. Hi Mike
    got a ‘new to me’ 2017 C300 Coupe and, like everyone else apparently, was disappointed with the sound system! Really thought a Burmester system would sound high end…but no. So just about to embark on your suggested upgrades. I do notice however that the Prima 8.9 is now superseded by the Prima FORZA. should I just get that? or save my money as I see that Amazon have the Prima 8.9 for about $899?

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    1. Hey Neil. Congrats on the car. Since doing the C way back when, I’ve done a few more OEM integration projects and my recommendations for equipment has changed. I prefer the AudioControl D 6.1200 DSP amp. It has a lot more power, and the configuration is less complicated. The warranty is better, and because it’s US made, support is much easier and in English.

      For the 4” 2 Ways, rather than the Focals I recommend the Morel Hybrid Components. They’re much warmer and can play lower into the mid bass range more naturally than the Focals, which are very bright sounding and more a true midrange than the Morels.

      I just pulled out an AudioControl/Morel 4” Hybrid system out of a BMW 4 series. My kid got the AudioControl but I do have two sets of the Morel Hybrids for the front and rear doors of the C300. If you’re interested shoot me a reply and I’ll come up with an asking price.

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      1. Sounds great thanks Mike I’m interested, as for the amp and system etc…all else remains unchanged? where did you get your Audiocontrol from?

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  17. My local shop is an AudioControl dealer. $500 for the two sets plus actual cost shipping (which shouldn’t be too bad). I think I paid $1500 or so for them a couple years ago.

    On the install you may not need the JL Fix 82 between the OEM amp and the DSP. The AudioControl amp might be able to strip out the factory noise compensation circuit.

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  18. I followed Mikes guide but my upgrade itch kept going. This is the equipment I used. In addition I had to use a JL volume control which goes into the VX that feeds the sub amp. I still mainly use the stock headunits volume, mainly need the JL for the sub and sometimes main volume.
    -fix 82
    -JL vx600 powering fronts
    -JL vx400 powering rears
    -JL RD1000 powering subs

    Speakers
    Doors morel 402
    Footwell Rainbow Audio ISL8
    Dash CDT Audio es02
    Rear deck: morel 4 from parts express

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  19. Mike-I was able to get a file into the the new Audison DSP. the system sounds great-but now the fake engine noise coming out of the stereo is killing me. Do you have any ideas on disabling it? thanks a ton, steve

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    1. Yeah, the only solution that was available at the time was to install a JL Fix 82 DSP between the factory amp and the Prima. It was used only to output a flat signal but it was able to strip out the Vehicle Noise Compensation (VNC). There may be simpler (less expensive) solutions available now.

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  20. Mike, I got the new prima version of the audison that supposedly does that too. Is this part of that equalization process setting up the dip that never seems to work or is there something else I’m not doing correctly? Thanks

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    1. My shop spent 4 hours trying to disable VNC (hunting for a mic, calling Mercedes, contacting Burmester, who told them they don’t do car audio, contacting Audison.)

      They have access to an installer database and at the time (2016) there was one shop that had figured out that a Fix 82 did the trick. I have a car going into my local shop next week. I’ll ask my guy there if there’s anything new on this issue in the database.

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  21. I think I meant to say new forza, which I read could manage the factory head unit silliness. This car though is also an amg. and that seems to mess with the speaker signals too…ideas? Thanks a ton

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    1. The Prima was supposed to as well. So you have an AMG branded amp back there? Those cars got much more aggressive audio engine “enhancement”. My 2018 BMW 4 Series had a similar system, but I was able to code it out of the head unit using an aftermarket ODB2 plug and a coding app. I’m not sure one exists for the W205.

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  22. Great write-up Mike. Read this several months back and I’m happy to see you’ve updated this with recommendations on the Morel speakers as well as replacing your Audison dsp/amp to a more powerful and easier to setup one. My question is, have you come across an upgrade following your guide where the MB head unit was upgraded to an Android unit. Will your guide still apply or are modifications necessary. I have a 2018 s205 c63s wagon. Thanks

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    1. I’m not very familiar with the aftermarket HU options out there, but as long as they connect to the factory amp, they wouldn’t affect the mod. Everything I did comes after the high (powered) side of the factory amp in the signal chain.

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      1. Yes the Android HU is connected to the factory amp and will follow your updated guide. One more thing, have you found an alternative dsp/amp that would handle the role of the JL Fix82/86 and do away with it altogether? Many thanks.

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      2. I haven’t, but I sold the C several years ago, first for an ‘18 4 Series BMW Coupe, and now I have a ‘12 Corvette Grand Sport. The BMW with the branded Harmon Kardon system was hands down the best stock audio I’ve ever had. I put two sets of Morel Hybrids in it, which made it even better, but it was fine as-is. The Vette was a bigger surprise, because my expectations were so low, but it needed very little help to sound good. My point is that the MB’s Burmester is uniquely horrible and, in my opinion, a slap in the face to its customers. But I digress. There may now be a work-around for the VNC but I’m not aware of it.

        On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 3:20 AM 2015+ C Class Audio upgrade wrote:

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      3. This is a great article that I’ve been referencing for years, but never did anything with until now. I was wondering if you have a way, or setting, to counteract the burmester amp’s equalizer so that it’s naturally flat without the hocus pocus. This can either be by using the equalizer in the car (this is preferable although I know you can only adjust treble, mids, and bass) or with an android equalizer app. I had the focal inside speakers installed in my 2018 C43 AMG and it’s abnormally bright and almost harsh due to the tuning deficiency that no longer has the physical deficiency.

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      4. The Focals are bright by nature, and probably too power hungry for the stock amp. Ideally you’d want the Prima 8.9 or AudioControl DSP to defeat the factory EQ, do your own tuning and bring in more power.

        The “equalizer” in the car won’t have the range to make any real difference. Obviously dial the Mids to “0” and cut back Treble a bit.

        I’d recommend using Spotify as your source. It has a built in multi-band EQ. Drag the mids into the basement and bump up the lows and highs.

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  23. Thank you very much for the reply. Just to confirm when you say “0” for the mids you mean -10 in the burmester eq settings? I’m using Tidal high fi so I guess I’ll have to find a third party equalizer for that. Honestly it doesn’t sound terrible. I imagine the set up will sound brighter and more neutral like my px7 headphones. I called focal and they said it can be improved 90% by the MB equalizer since they are meant as plug and play.

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    1. The Focals (if you’re using the ones in the write-up) want north of 50 watts each to develop a fuller bottom end. They’ll play with less but sound thin. My go-to now for a component 4” 2-way are the Morel Hybrids. They’re much warmer and less brassy.

      Tidal minimally streams at 16 Bit Depth/44.1 htz Sampling Rate if I’m not mistaken (CD quality) and Tidal Master is at 24 Bit/96 or 192 depending on the track. If you have a well balanced system with a full speaker array, where you’re not fighting the mids and highs, and the bass is naturally tight and punchy, a less compressed source will sound great. But if I recall, the physical speaker-size set up in the W205 isn’t that, regardless of how good the speakers are. A 4” is always going to be midrange heavy, and there’s a lot more signal in a 16/44.1 to contend with and equalize into submission than there is with the 320 kbs stream from Spotify. (Or Apple Music or Amazon, but those apps don’t have EQ built in)

      In short, although it seems counter-intuitive, your set up might sound much better (fuller, tighter bass, smoother highs) with a lower sampling-rate stream that doesn’t exacerbate the system’s limitations.

      Switching streaming platforms can be daunting, since you’ve likely built up a big library on Tidal and don’t want to start over from scratch, but you don’t have to; A Windows program called Soundiiz lets you import and export across platforms in bulk. Even a massive Tidal streaming library (which is really just a long playlist… no actual files to move) can become the same massive Spotify library in under a minute). I love HiRes generally. In my current car I have an outboard DAC and play nothing but 24/96 and /192 Amazon HD, but the car has a full speaker array from the factory… 10” subs, 6” woofers, 4” midrange and 2” tweets on either side… and an aftermarket head unit with a full DSP stack built in. Then again I’m guessing you’d prefer your C43 AMG to a C6 Corvette Grand Sport.

      I’d recommend doing a Spotify free trial, and Soundiiz Basic (free), bringing over some tracks you’re really familiar with, setting up EQ on Spotify, and then doing some A/B comparisons between the two.

      For Spotify, set the car’s EQ at +10 Bass and Treble, -10 Midrange. The EQ curve on Spotify should be the same, and look like two big hills with a valley in the middle to start. Play with the individual frequency bands until you get what you’re looking for. 2k to 6k is where to control the mids. If the highs suffer, bump up 10k to 16k as needed to restore some. On the bass end, somewhere between 60 and 120 is where the “hit” lives.

      Have fun!

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      1. Thanks Mike. Appreciate your detailed response. I’ll keep playing around with it. My installer suggested the focal inside series over the morel since it would be cheaper due to the plug and play factor. I think they just came out last year for Mercedes but they have it for a few manufacturers like BMW as well. I’ll put a link to the focal inside site at the bottom of anyone wanted to check it out. I don’t know as much about the watts and other terms as most other people here probably do especially considering as much high end audio equipment I have. I usually just keep must things flat or in the case of subwoofer tuning use my hearing to get it to sound right. Thanks again.
        https://www.focal.com/en/car-audio/car-audio-kits-solutions/integration/plugplay

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  24. I vaguely recall considering the Focal drop-in replacements for the 4” two ways in my 2010 S550. The key advantages over the upgraded K2 Power versions (aside from price) were that they had the triangular mount that matched the factory Harman Kardons, and used the factory speaker plugs, which of course simplified install. Since I wasn’t installing them myself I spent a little more and let the shop deal with it. I think the tweeters and crossovers were heartier on the K2.

    Interestingly, the exact same 4” factory speaker existed in the HK and “Burmester” systems in my 2010 S Class, 2016 W205 C Class, and 2018 440i BMW Coupe. I’m not even sure HK makes it. It’s like a generic mass produced thing, which I’m guessing is why Focal determined it made financial sense to tool one up as a drop in upgrade that could be offered for a bunch of brands of cars and “premium” factory audio.

    BTW, while Mercedes over-relied on them in the W205, the exact same units paired with 10” under-seat subs sounds fantastic in the 440’s HK branded system. They’re fine when correctly implemented.

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  25. Just figured I would update. I had to get a DSP/Amp. I just couldn’t get the sound right as Mike said. Focal said there are only 15 shops in the country that could install and tune it correctly. One happens to be where I got the focal inside stuff installed. Sound Waves in Parsippany NJ. These guys are the best. Installed a Helix V Twelve DSP/amp and tuned it to perfection. It almost doubled my cost but it sounds incredible. I now have an all setting for when I have people in the car and a driver specific setting where they measured every speaker in the car to my ears. Sound is unreal.

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    1. Great news, and thanks for the update. It is a challenge to find a good installer, which is a technical skill AND a good tuner, which is more art than science.

      Years ago I had a shop do an install and tune. They were super excited for me to hear it, because the “crossovers were set perfectly!”

      It sounded horrible. They said, “Yeah, but the settings are PERFECT!” It reminded me of the old joke about the surgeon who tells his patient’s family that his patient died, but the surgery was a success.

      I figured I’d better learn tuning myself. I will say the W205 presented by far the greatest tuning challenge I’ve ever run into. Even with new drivers and a DSP amp, I never got it totally dialed in the way I wanted it.

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  26. Just ordered the Focal Inside speakers, Going to install them, can some one who did it share his experience without changing or adding DSP? how are they performing just when you change the original “burmester” into the focal speakers? and which DSP I should use in case I wont be happy with just changing speakers, and how complicated it is to install a DSP? there is some one in LA who can do it for me?

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